these jeans were just not it for me. I got my typical size, L. and they were just too tight, even with the stretch. and there was some gapping at the waist. I knew it was going to be a risk but I decided to exchange them for an XL cause I love the style and fit of the jeans. but as I expected, the gapping got bigger and they were stillll too tight. and I like my jeans fitted don't get me wrong. but these was just too uncomfortable for me. even the leg whole was tight, like I struggled to put my ankle through. and again, I get that its the style, they are skinny jeans. but it was just too much. I have the Deira jeans in size L and they are amazing, just for reference. going forward I am going to look at the material the denim is made from and compare it to the Deira jeans and make a decision based on that. I think if you are someone that doesn't have a lot of thiccccness and/or curves then you might love these but I got some meat on me so I really need that soft stretchy material